Comments on: Fleck from behind the wheel http://www.bikesd.org/2010/02/fleck-from-behind-the-wheel/ Tue, 07 Feb 2012 06:18:11 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: William http://www.bikesd.org/2010/02/fleck-from-behind-the-wheel/comment-page-1/#comment-1262 William Wed, 03 Mar 2010 01:08:33 +0000 http://www.bikesd.org/?p=1434#comment-1262 Bob, some places I might pull over, others, just best to continue on. I figure now, it's best not to armchair it, and best to just ~ roll on! Hello out there to Nebraska! Must be mighty cold now! Bob, some places I might pull over, others, just best to continue on. I figure now, it’s best not to armchair it, and best to just ~ roll on! Hello out there to Nebraska! Must be mighty cold now!

]]> By: Michael Ballard http://www.bikesd.org/2010/02/fleck-from-behind-the-wheel/comment-page-1/#comment-1253 Michael Ballard Sat, 27 Feb 2010 16:35:58 +0000 http://www.bikesd.org/?p=1434#comment-1253 You chose to run the stop, you weren't forced to. Drivers choose to give us little room on the road, they aren't forced to. You chose to run the stop, you weren’t forced to. Drivers choose to give us little room on the road, they aren’t forced to.

]]> By: Bob Boyce http://www.bikesd.org/2010/02/fleck-from-behind-the-wheel/comment-page-1/#comment-1251 Bob Boyce Fri, 26 Feb 2010 23:44:44 +0000 http://www.bikesd.org/?p=1434#comment-1251 William-- I'm glad you didn't get hurt. I would probably have pulled over and stopped when I saw the car edging closer to me, squeezing me against parked cars. And I would, if given the chance, have admitted I was wrong. "Yes, sir, you're right. I should have stopped." That leaves the driver with nothing to say (except "Moron!!") Here in Lincoln, Nebraska, drivers are consistently courteous--very very few exceptions. But certainly there are cyclists doing illegal and/or dumb things every day! William–
I’m glad you didn’t get hurt. I would probably have pulled over and stopped when I saw the car edging closer to me, squeezing me against parked cars. And I would, if given the chance, have admitted I was wrong. “Yes, sir, you’re right. I should have stopped.” That leaves the driver with nothing to say (except “Moron!!”)
Here in Lincoln, Nebraska, drivers are consistently courteous–very very few exceptions. But certainly there are cyclists doing illegal and/or dumb things every day!

]]> By: William http://www.bikesd.org/2010/02/fleck-from-behind-the-wheel/comment-page-1/#comment-1249 William Fri, 26 Feb 2010 15:40:44 +0000 http://www.bikesd.org/?p=1434#comment-1249 Hi Mike, In life, it would be great if things were black and white, such that decisions as such were simple. They most certainly, never are. Your opinion, and the thoughts behind it are well founded, and mostly appreciated ~ even with the anger and lack of patience as you say. One day, it might be great if we could have a world were the need to operate loosely within the margins of law were not needed for survival. That day is not today. Hi Mike,

In life, it would be great if things were black and white, such that decisions as such were simple. They most certainly, never are. Your opinion, and the thoughts behind it are well founded, and mostly appreciated ~ even with the anger and lack of patience as you say. One day, it might be great if we could have a world were the need to operate loosely within the margins of law were not needed for survival. That day is not today.

]]> By: Michael Ballard http://www.bikesd.org/2010/02/fleck-from-behind-the-wheel/comment-page-1/#comment-1212 Michael Ballard Fri, 19 Feb 2010 04:04:32 +0000 http://www.bikesd.org/?p=1434#comment-1212 I would also add I've been ticketed, among others, for riding LEGALLY on the roadway. So, please, keep doing the illegal things that put a black mark on the rest of us. I would also add I’ve been ticketed, among others, for riding LEGALLY on the roadway. So, please, keep doing the illegal things that put a black mark on the rest of us.

]]> By: Michael Ballard http://www.bikesd.org/2010/02/fleck-from-behind-the-wheel/comment-page-1/#comment-1211 Michael Ballard Fri, 19 Feb 2010 04:00:52 +0000 http://www.bikesd.org/?p=1434#comment-1211 Or, you could have stopped. I see too many people in cars running the stop signs. When is getting there more important than safety? Justify doing it all you want, makes you no different than the people that yell at us to get on the sidewalk. They will justify, using the same logic, running us off the road or any of the other countless things they do. If you want equal treatment, start acting like an equal. At the very least, it shows a lack of respect for others. Wasn't someone else that posts on this blog hit by someone running a stop sign? I was hit by someone running a red light once. They tried to justify it by saying it was yellow. It was RED. I was hit by someone doing a u-turn in front of me. They tried to justify it by saying they were late for class and needed to get to a parking space. As such, I have no patience for those that try to justify their illegal acts, especially when they affect others. Or, you could have stopped. I see too many people in cars running the stop signs. When is getting there more important than safety? Justify doing it all you want, makes you no different than the people that yell at us to get on the sidewalk. They will justify, using the same logic, running us off the road or any of the other countless things they do. If you want equal treatment, start acting like an equal. At the very least, it shows a lack of respect for others. Wasn’t someone else that posts on this blog hit by someone running a stop sign? I was hit by someone running a red light once. They tried to justify it by saying it was yellow. It was RED. I was hit by someone doing a u-turn in front of me. They tried to justify it by saying they were late for class and needed to get to a parking space. As such, I have no patience for those that try to justify their illegal acts, especially when they affect others.

]]> By: Larry Hogue http://www.bikesd.org/2010/02/fleck-from-behind-the-wheel/comment-page-1/#comment-1208 Larry Hogue Fri, 19 Feb 2010 01:51:19 +0000 http://www.bikesd.org/?p=1434#comment-1208 I commend you on your patience! I probably would have been screaming obscenities at the guy (and no way can I back that up). You didn't need to bring up the Idaho stop law. Could have just said, "California stop, just like cars." I was actually taught the California stop in driver's ed. Taught not to do it, but the strong implication was that everyone does it. I think it saves a lot of gas in California, not to mention tired legs. The fact that this guy rolled a stop after yelling at you just shows that cyclists are held to a higher standard. And okay, maybe that higher standard comes about because of the more flagrant violations that some cyclists commit (like the group of club riders that came at me the wrong way in the bike lane on Carlsbad Blvd. today). But on any typical day on the streets, whether I'm driving or cycling, it seems like drivers are committing way more bonehead violations than cyclists. Maybe it depends on where you drive/ride. For instance, Seaworld Dr. to 5 north. When there's heavy traffic, typically the two through lanes will merge into the two left turn lanes. Totally illegal, but it's a workaround that the people who commute through there seem to have kluged together. Yet nobody rolls down their window and yells, "What, drivers can turn left from the right-hand through lane?" It's all a negotiation out there. I commend you on your patience! I probably would have been screaming obscenities at the guy (and no way can I back that up).

You didn’t need to bring up the Idaho stop law. Could have just said, “California stop, just like cars.”

I was actually taught the California stop in driver’s ed. Taught not to do it, but the strong implication was that everyone does it. I think it saves a lot of gas in California, not to mention tired legs. The fact that this guy rolled a stop after yelling at you just shows that cyclists are held to a higher standard. And okay, maybe that higher standard comes about because of the more flagrant violations that some cyclists commit (like the group of club riders that came at me the wrong way in the bike lane on Carlsbad Blvd. today). But on any typical day on the streets, whether I’m driving or cycling, it seems like drivers are committing way more bonehead violations than cyclists. Maybe it depends on where you drive/ride.

For instance, Seaworld Dr. to 5 north. When there’s heavy traffic, typically the two through lanes will merge into the two left turn lanes. Totally illegal, but it’s a workaround that the people who commute through there seem to have kluged together. Yet nobody rolls down their window and yells, “What, drivers can turn left from the right-hand through lane?” It’s all a negotiation out there.

]]> By: William http://www.bikesd.org/2010/02/fleck-from-behind-the-wheel/comment-page-1/#comment-1207 William Fri, 19 Feb 2010 01:44:20 +0000 http://www.bikesd.org/?p=1434#comment-1207 Mr. Highlander, thank you so much for stepping, er, rolling, err.. typing forward, and leaving me a note. It's good to see you were not subject to recall at this time, and that sudden acceleration is not an issue. When you see "Fred", as I'm sure you often due, send him my undying love and an invite to come ride with me. "Fred" and I can both surely use the exercise, I'd like to be worth more than 20 dollars and 1/2 a pack of camels one day. In conclusion, thanks for the "apology" and not turning me into a skinbag of smashed bones during a much needed session of preaching of my many, many sins. Love, and toodles, William. :) Mr. Highlander, thank you so much for stepping, er, rolling, err.. typing forward, and leaving me a note. It’s good to see you were not subject to recall at this time, and that sudden acceleration is not an issue. When you see “Fred”, as I’m sure you often due, send him my undying love and an invite to come ride with me. “Fred” and I can both surely use the exercise, I’d like to be worth more than 20 dollars and 1/2 a pack of camels one day.

In conclusion, thanks for the “apology” and not turning me into a skinbag of smashed bones during a much needed session of preaching of my many, many sins.

Love, and toodles,

William. :)

]]> By: For those keeping score at home, it’s Nose 1, Cancer 0. « BikingInLA http://www.bikesd.org/2010/02/fleck-from-behind-the-wheel/comment-page-1/#comment-1205 For those keeping score at home, it’s Nose 1, Cancer 0. « BikingInLA Fri, 19 Feb 2010 00:08:04 +0000 http://www.bikesd.org/?p=1434#comment-1205 [...] park rangers plan to dismantle an illegal off-road bike course. A San Diego rider rolls a stop, and faces down a confrontation with an angry driver. What do you call someone with an irrational hatred of bikes? The planned [...] [...] park rangers plan to dismantle an illegal off-road bike course. A San Diego rider rolls a stop, and faces down a confrontation with an angry driver. What do you call someone with an irrational hatred of bikes? The planned [...]

]]> By: White Toyota Highlander http://www.bikesd.org/2010/02/fleck-from-behind-the-wheel/comment-page-1/#comment-1204 White Toyota Highlander Thu, 18 Feb 2010 23:44:16 +0000 http://www.bikesd.org/?p=1434#comment-1204 Sorry for my owners ignorance. "Fred" was not aware of your extensive writing/riding ability and would never have bothered you if he knew he was going to be mocked on the intertubes for so flagrantly dismissing another cyclist. He really is the moron. And fat (squishes my seats). As a pollution spewing motor-vehicle I too don't like to stop, and prefer the flow of round-a-bouts. So I'm very envious of you and your own private idaho (and your non-fat ass :) In conclusion, sorry about the encounter and I'm glad you didn't hurt me. WTH Sorry for my owners ignorance. “Fred” was not aware of your extensive writing/riding ability and would never have bothered you if he knew he was going to be mocked on the intertubes for so flagrantly dismissing another cyclist. He really is the moron. And fat (squishes my seats).

As a pollution spewing motor-vehicle I too don’t like to stop, and prefer the flow of round-a-bouts. So I’m very envious of you and your own private idaho (and your non-fat ass :)

In conclusion, sorry about the encounter and I’m glad you didn’t hurt me.

WTH

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