As technology gets better and cheaper perhaps we’ll see more of this. As usual, though, the biggest cost is of course the labor and integration/installation, not the technology itself.

And sorry Thomas for my part in this divergence, if you will.

http://groups.google.com/group/bicycledriving/web/faq#15

Of course we have rights. So did women, blacks and gays. Blacks had the right to drink water, just not from the same fountains. Women had the right to shop, just not to vote. Gays have the right to cohabitate and love each other, just not get married. All of these official manifestations of bias create and reinforce bias in the culture at large. And so it is with bicyclists today.

The problem is never NO rights, it’s no EQUAL rights. Bicyclists are not treated equally with respect to movement rights on the road. There are reasonable rules for regulating the movement of slow moving vehicles, and in some states those are the laws that apply equally to bicyclists. But in most states, including California, the law goes beyond that, and creates undue restrictions that apply specifically to bicyclists, which allows biased officers and judges free reign to interpret those laws with their anti-bike bias, and puts the onus on the bicyclist to prove he is innocent. You should know this better than anyone. Nobody should have to go through what you did. By the way, is that officially resolved yet? I never heard a final official outcome beyond the letter from the city attorney.

I also never said that there is a conspiracy to strip us of our rights. But, I will note that there does appear to be a high correlation between countries which have a lot of segregated cycle facilities and countries in which bicyclists are banned from riding on roads.

I never said all bike lanes are “bad”, nor did I ever say they should not be allowed. My main concern about bike lanes is not the bike lanes themselves, but the support for them and, in particular, what that implies about their understanding (and lack thereof) of bicycle traffic safety. There are many legitimate concerns about bike lanes, which are explained here:

http://groups.google.com/group/bicycledriving/web/faq#15

Of course we have rights. So did women, blacks and gays. Blacks had the right to drink water, just not from the same fountains. Women had the right to shop, just not to vote. Gays have the right to cohabitate and love each other, just not get married. All of these official manifestations of bias create and reinforce bias in the culture at large. And so it is with bicyclists today.

I also never said that there is a conspiracy to strip us of our rights. But, I will note that there does appear to be a high correlation between countries which have a lot of segregated cycle facilities and countries in which bicyclists are banned from riding on roads.

AJ, I am involved with county, state and national organizations and efforts to fix the laws that unduly restrict bicyclist movement, but part of that effort is trying to gather support for such efforts within the cycling community. Most people have no idea the role the type of riding encouraged by bike lanes plays in causing conflicts in the streets and are so enamored with bike lanes that they don’t care that they’re required by law to ride in them. Many are resistant when those like myself point out the problems.

No one here is saying all bike lanes are bad or should not be allowed.

Yes, cyclists have rights now, but these rights are limited by CVC 21202 and 21208 – the latter requiring use of bike lanes when present (except for the little-known and often ignored-by-law exceptions).

I’m very glad you won, but it was wrong you had to go through that process, and in your case there should have been no question that what you did was lawful. In many other cases it’s not nearly as clear.